Is Beverly Oliver the Babushka Lady Taking Pictures of the JFK Assassination?

Tuesday. August 18, 2015.


Beverly Oliver is a Dallas resident, ex-stripper and close friend of Jack Ruby who was the killer of Lee Harvey Oswald. Her character is in Oliver Stone’s JFK movie, and she wrote a book entitled “Nightmare in Dallas”.

http://www.amazon.com/Nightmare-Dallas-Beverly-Oliver/dp/0914984608/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423960792&sr=8-1&keywords=beverly+oliver

She claims she was a witness of the JFK assassination, more precisely the Babushka Lady seen in the Zapruder film holding a movie-picture camera, and apparently taking pictures. The identity of this mysterious witness is still unknown to this date, and the film she may have taken has never been seen by the public.

I’ve been researching the JFK assassination since 1991, and the identity of the Babushka Lady has always intrigued me. In the last few months, I’ve come across photo evidence that Oliver is not the Babushka Lady. Ms. Oliver has refused so far to respond to most of the points raised in the video below.

These photos proves beyond the shadow of the doubt that the Babushka Lady did not have a movie-picture camera. The image on the right is an Allen photo showing a box-style camera taking still pictures that is similar to the Sears Tower model shown on the left. Both cameras as extremely different from a Yashica movie-picture camera.

All cameras


Gary Mack told me about a woman who might have been the Babushka Lady.

QUOTE

Denis,

As you requested, here’s some more of the story behind Jack Harrison, a retired Kodak executive who apparently talked to the real Babushka Lady. Harrison visited The Sixth Floor Museum several years ago and casually mentioned to one of the security people that he was working at Kodak when the Zapruder film was processed. He was among the large group of Kodak employees who watched it that afternoon and evening (there were two viewing sessions).

Security immediately phoned me, so Bob Porter and I convinced Jack to do an oral history. It was a hot day and he was dressed like a regular tourist, for this was his first visit back to Dallas in some 15 years. Excerpts of the interview appear in the MPI video “Image Of An Assassination.”

He remembered Zapruder and a man who shot many slides – presumably Phil Willis – and a brunette in her mid- to late-30’s. He spoke with her briefly, though she was very shaken by what had happened only a few feet in front of her.

From his description of the blurred image, she had to have been the BL, for there were no other cameras in that area not accounted for. He could see a very small stretch of grass and some people in the foreground. The limo was a few feet farther away. Directly beyond the car was part of the TSBD. There is no doubt in my mind that the view he described matched the location of the Babushka Lady in the Zapruder film.

As I related to the ARRB, the picture was too blurry to be of any use, and the agents who were there were very unhappy about that. As far as Jack knew, no one got or kept the woman’s name. I included Jack’s story in my Dallas Morning News review of Beverly Oliver’s book. Feel free to excerpt that part, if you’d like.

Jack Harrison’s experience tells me what probably happened to the real Babushka Lady, for I have yet to find independent evidence of someone else being that woman.

Partial confirmation of his story can be found in the Z film. Someone has blown up the frames in which the Babushka Lady appears. Close inspection shows that as JFK passes in front of the woman, her right hand moved upward to the camera. To me, that confirms the use of a still camera, not a movie camera. With the latter, one would have had both hands on it the whole time. That revealing movement shows that she raised her right hand, probably to snap the shutter after having wound the film for a second exposure.

Several years ago I diagramed what would have been visible from her location. Between the back of Charles Brehm’s head, two motorcycle officers, helmets and motorcycle windshields, Jackie and then Jean Hill, her view of JFK would have been blocked most of the time. Perhaps she never took that second picture!

Gary Mack

UNQUOTE


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The Missing Craven Film Taken in Dealey Plaza


DCA Film


Location of Photographers and Cameramen in Dealey Plaza During the Shooting


Witnesses and Suspects in Dealey Plaza


Locating Media People (Other than Photographers and Cameramen) in Dealey Plaza


Locating Professional Cameramen and Photographers in Dealey Plaza


Locating Amateur Cameramen and Photographers in Dealey Plaza


Is Beverly Oliver the Babushka Lady Taking Pictures of the JFK Assassination?


Bad Luck with Cameras in Dealey Plaza and Photographers not Taking Pictures at the Right Time


Where are the Original of these Films Taken in Dealey Plaza?


Lost, Missing, Over-Exposed, Unavailable Photos and Films and Dubious Claims


Unidentified Photographers and Cameramen in Dealey Plaza


DOCUMENTARIES: WHAT YOU SEE IN THEM

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INVESTIGATORS IDENTIFICATION PROJECT: TRYING TO IDENTIFY OFFICIALS IN PHOTOS AND FILMS

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A CHRONOLOGY OF THE INVESTIGATORS’ ACTIVITIES IN DEALEY PLAZA

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Bad Luck with Cameras in Dealey Plaza and Photographers not Taking Pictures at the Right Time

August 18, 2015

UPDATED: May 17, 2016

1. Tom Alyea (WFAA) 

1964

1964

Alyea’s camera broke in Fort Worth. When he knew something had happened in Dealey Plaza, he had to use whatever he could put his hands on. He grabbed his partner’s older model that had a reputation of losing its loop, as demonstrated in some of his footage taken on the 6th floor (Picture of the Pain, page 520)


2. James Underwood (KRLD)

Z-Underwood

On Main Street, Underwood’s camera broke down. At Main and Record, he saw his colleague George Sanderson filming. He grabbed Sanderson’s camera, and ran up to the TSBD (Pictures of the Pain, pages 417 and 419). Had not his camera broken down, he may have been able to created more film in Dealey Plaza.


3. Robert Hughes film

Stopped filming before the shots


4. Mark Bell film

Z-Bell, Mark

Jack Bell

Stopped filming before the shots


5. Bob Jackson (Dallas Times Herald)

Jackson on Main Street

Main Street

Saw the rifle, but things happened too fast. Not a single photo in Dealey Plaza.

“Jackson had just his emptied camera with the telephoto lens on his lap and another camera on a strap around his neck, but as he later wrote, “It happened too fast, then, for me to get a photo of it’ (Pictures of the Pain, page 440)


6. David Powers (JFK’s aide)

Did not take any pictures in Dealey Plaza. He is labeled as #2 in the images below. Seen in the color photo taken at Love Field Airport.

alt


7. Tina Towner

Z-Towner, Tina 1

Stopped filming before the shots


8. Malcom Couch (WFAA)

Couch in Martin film, maybe

Martin film

Saw a rifle in a window, but was not quick enough to film it.

Someone in Car 3 told the other passengers about the rifle in a window. People in the car who heard or could have heard him: Jim Underwood, Tom Dillard, Jim Darnell, Mal Couch and Bob Jackson. Dillard took 2 photos of the sniper’s nest, but a bit too late.


9. Richard Bothun 

Z-Bothun and Altgens in Zap

Zapruder film

Bothun was on the right of UPI photographer James Altgens on the South side of Elm Street. He was paralyzed by the events in Dealey Plaza, and was unable to take any pictures during the shooting.


10. John Martin film

After this encounter, he went back to his office, and came back to the Depository at 12:50. At that time, he had used 25 feet of his 50-foot film. He started taking more film. He then thought he had finished the roll just to discover that only 25 feet had been taken because there was a crimp in the film, something he had never experienced before. (TPOTP, page 573).

More info on the Martin film:

https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/dca-film/


11. A.J. L’Hoste (WFAA)

Originally posted in front of the TSBD with his camera and a state-of-art camera, he decided to move to a point on Main Street where nobody could hear the shots.


12. Congressman Henry Gonzales

He claims he took photos in the motorcade, but they were stolen, hence remain unseen. Credit: Todd Vaughan.

 


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The Missing Craven Film Taken in Dealey Plaza


DCA Film


Location of Photographers and Cameramen in Dealey Plaza During the Shooting


Witnesses and Suspects in Dealey Plaza


Locating Media People (Other than Photographers and Cameramen) in Dealey Plaza


Locating Professional Cameramen and Photographers in Dealey Plaza


Locating Amateur Cameramen and Photographers in Dealey Plaza


Is Beverly Oliver the Babushka Lady Taking Pictures of the JFK Assassination?


Bad Luck with Cameras in Dealey Plaza and Photographers not Taking Pictures at the Right Time


Where are the Original of these Films Taken in Dealey Plaza?


Lost, Missing, Over-Exposed, Unavailable Photos and Films and Dubious Claims


Unidentified Photographers and Cameramen in Dealey Plaza


DOCUMENTARIES: WHAT YOU SEE IN THEM

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INVESTIGATORS IDENTIFICATION PROJECT: TRYING TO IDENTIFY OFFICIALS IN PHOTOS AND FILMS

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A CHRONOLOGY OF THE INVESTIGATORS’ ACTIVITIES IN DEALEY PLAZA

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Where are the Original of these Films Taken in Dealey Plaza?

August 17, 2015

This list will be updated as I’m getting  more information. I included a Youtube link for each film. Some links offer only parts of these films.

Film                                        Location                           Watch it   youtube icon 

Alyea, Tom (WFAA)               History Channel            Alyea film

Bell, Mark                               Life Magazine                  Bell film

Bronson, Charles                                                              Bronson film

Cooper, Roy (KTVT)                 National Archives         Cooper film

Couch, Malcom (WFAA)         Missing                            Couch film

Craven, Tom (CBS)                  CBS Archives in N.Y.      Craven film

Note 1: Dealey Plaza sequence probably ruined by problems caused by water at KLRD during the development of the films.

Note 2: The link to the YouTube is the announcement by Dan Rather at 1:07 that the Craven’s film in Dealey Plaza would be presented. The Craven film at Love Field, during the motorcade and Parkland is shown from 3:19 through 5:16.

Daniel, Jack                              Misplaced as of 2001       Daniel film

Note: As of 2001, the family thought the film was not lost, just misplaced.

Darnell, Jim (WBAP)                                                            Darnell film

Note: Parts in private hands 

Dorman, Elsie                                                                        Dorman film

Hughes, Robert                                                                      Hughes film

L’Hoste, A.J. (WFAA)                                                             L’Hoste film

Note: I’m uncertain what sequences L’Hoste filmed, but he certainly filmed the one from the top of the grassy knoll from 18:01.

Martin, John                                                                           Martin film

Note: Part of the DCA film

Mentessana, Ernest                                                              Mentessana

Note: Part of the DCA film

Muchmore, Mary                   APTN Library                       Muchmore

Nix, Orville                              Missing                                  Nix film

Owens, Dan (WBAP)                                                              Owens film

Note 1: From 2:42. Owens filmed Day coming out of the TSBD with Oswald’s rifle.

Note 2: Some parts of the Owen film may be still be in private hands.

Paschall, Patsy                        Patsy Paschall has it            Paschall film

Towner, Tina                          Sixth Floor Museum             Towner film

Underwood, Jim (KRLD)                                                        Underwood

Note:  I believe that Underwood and/or Sanderson film is what is shown between 2:07 and 3:38.

Wiegman, David (NBC)          Missing                                  Wiegman film

Zapruder, Abraham               National Archives                Zapruder film


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Locating Media People (Other than Photographers and Cameramen) in Dealey Plaza


Locating Professional Cameramen and Photographers in Dealey Plaza


Locating Amateur Cameramen and Photographers in Dealey Plaza


Is Beverly Oliver the Babushka Lady Taking Pictures of the JFK Assassination?


Bad Luck with Cameras in Dealey Plaza and Photographers not Taking Pictures at the Right Time


Where are the Original of these Films Taken in Dealey Plaza?


Lost, Missing, Over-Exposed, Unavailable Photos and Films and Dubious Claims


Unidentified Photographers and Cameramen in Dealey Plaza


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INVESTIGATORS IDENTIFICATION PROJECT: TRYING TO IDENTIFY OFFICIALS IN PHOTOS AND FILMS

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A CHRONOLOGY OF THE INVESTIGATORS’ ACTIVITIES IN DEALEY PLAZA

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Lost, Missing, Over-Exposed, Unavailable Photos and Films and Dubious Claims

Sunday, August 16, 2015

UPDATE: July 3, 2016. See SALLY HOLT, #20

1. Nix film

Lost after its transfer back from the HSCA to its owner UPI in 1979. Probably in the hands of a collector.

Nix in Hughes, 1

Orville Nix seen in the Hughes film. Discovered by Rick Needham.

Nix in Hughes, gif 2

Gif created by Rick Needham from the Hughes film. Shows Nix in movement.


2. CBS-NY cameraman Thomas Craven’s film sequence taken in Dealey Plaza 

The Dealey Plaza seems to have been ruined because of a water pressure problem at KLRD in Dallas. Other films were ruined.

Gary Mack told me the following:

QUOTE

Tom Craven’s film never got on the air; it was damaged during processing at CBS’s Dallas affiliate, KRLD-TV.  I interviewed the station’s film processor operator, Henk Dewitt, who said a few reels were damaged early that afternoon due to low water pressure at the building.  Craven’s film was apparently one of them.

UNQUOTE

In a follow-up email, he wrote:

QUOTE

Craven’s film was apparently misidentified.  Some years ago, Henk DeWitt, the man who operated KRLD’s film processor, told me he had mechanical problems that day and the first one or two reels were ruined.  There was a problem with very low water pressure and the heat of the dryer or something damaged the films.

At one point early on, Dan Rather introduced film taken by Craven, but no film appeared.  Rather said they’d try to get to it later.  I think the Craven footage was damaged and discarded before ever being seen.

Gary Mack

UNQUOTE

In an interview with Richard Trask, Craven described what he filmed:

“I know I was rolling as we made that right turn coming up the Book Depository- I thought I might have had a flash or a puff of smoke, but it never showed up, because I had a wide angle lens on, and it was so far away, you wouldn’t have seen it”. (Pictures of the Pain, page 383)

Trask inquired with the CBS Archives in New York. That sequence was not located. They added that it is impossible to be sure what film was ever received. (The Pictures of the Pain, page 384).

Craven in Stoughton 1

Filming the Newmans. Stoughton photo

 

Skaggs-Slide 5-Photographers identified

Filming on Houston before the shots in this Skaggs photo


3. Croft JFK headshot’s photo

The FBI borrowed the under-developped film, and developed it. Croft told them that he had taken a photo coinciding with the head shot to the President. Unfortunately, that photo, the 4th one, turned out completely blank! Could modern technology enable us to see anything in it? Who has the original negative?

Photographers names in Zap

Croft in the Zapruder film, a few seconds before taking the head shot photo. He’s positioned to Rose Willis’ left.


4. Alyea film

We often see the film he took on the 6th floor of the TSBD, but very rarely the film he took outside before entering the building. I’m not even sure if I would recognize that sequence if I saw it.

Alyea told Richard Trask the following:

He arrived in Dallas from Fort Worth at 12:30PM traveling East on Commerce Street within the Dealey Plaza area when the driver “was preparing to make a right onto Houston Street to the WFAA station on Young Street. After  hearing an unusual alert – “All units on Stemmons and Industrial, Code 3, Parkland”, they heard the WFAA commercial radio announcer, John Allen, break in with the statement that shots had been fired at the President near Houston and Elm.

“We were still waiting for the traffic light to change; suddenly, I realized where I was… I grabbed Ray’s camera, told him to take the other film to the station, and I took off across Dealey Plaza for the Houston and Elm intersection. I filmed while running and, assuming that the shots came from the ground, I looked around and began shooting. (Pictures of the Pain, page 520).

Trask reports that Alyea had 500 feet of unprocessed film available to him.

“I raced across Commerce and Main Street dodging traffic. On the far side of Elm I saw people rushing around. I had begun filming on the way as I crossed Main”

He then went up to Elm and Houston. Alyea did notice several cops and one man looking up at the Depository Building. He filmed the entrance, and as six or seven plainclothesmen rushed in through the double entry door, Alyea followed unchallenged. According to Trask’s estimate, Alyea arrived at the TSBD some time between 12:34 and 12:36. By that time, Oswald had most probably left the building already.

History Channel bought the whole Alyea film.


A lot of film thrown out as seen in these images:

Alyea film 1

Alyea film 2


5. James Powell photo

He probably took more than the one below. The ARRB should have pushed a little more to know if he had taken more, if so, asked him where they are or what they showed.

Powell, full frame, maybe

One of the TSBD employee is seen on the 5th floor.


6. Wiegman film

Original missing. For the Death in Dealey Plaza documentary, the best copy they could use came from a University.

Weigman 1


7. Couch film

Original missing

JFK Conspiracy 237-Couch

A man seems to be escorted by 2 individuals on the top of the grassy knoll. Citizen’s arrest?


8. Darnell film (WBAP)

As of 2004, some parts have never been published, and are still in private hands as per Gary Mack. Hopefully, the 6th Floor Museum knows where this unseen film is.

UPDATE: In Reporting the Kennedy Assassination, I learned that Darnell filmed the coffin loaded at Love Field:

“That Deputy Chief of Police with the DPD says, “Let me have that. That’s sacrilegious”. So I handed him the film”. Darnell added, “To this day, it’s never been seen- except there’s one person who has told me that he’s heard that it has been seen on the West Coast or somewhere” (pages 67-68)

In this document, Richard Sprague describes what Darnell filmed.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/J%20Disk/Jaffe%20Stephen%20Personal%20Memos/Item%2008.pdf

Darnell-Craig and Walthers 1

Filming in the parking lot. Deputy Sheriffs Roger Craig and Eddie Walthers in foreground.


9. Cooper film

Cook-TSBD Brennan 1

Howard Brennan in hat

The film was actually taken by Don Cook. Cooper was not even in Dealey Plaza…

In this document, Richard Sprague describes what Cooked filmed. Strangely, he reports that Cook filmed out of a window of the Sheriff Office. It also reports that when the shots rang out, he ran out of the building, and took pictures as he went. Read last paragraph of page 2.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/J%20Disk/Jaffe%20Stephen%20Personal%20Memos/Item%2008.pdf

Yet, the Cooper film shows he was outside the Office. No running. See for yourself from 23:13 into the video.

Cook filming outside the Sheriff Office  youtube icon


10. Henry Burrows of AP

Z-Burroughs

Researcher Richard Sprague reports that Burrows told him he took 2 photos on Houston Street. I never seen any discussion about them.

Sprague 1


11. Jim MacCammon

Photos allegedly taken in front of the TSBD showing an arrest of a “negro”. The photos he took at the Texas Theater are well known, but I’ve never seen those. But he did take photos in the general area of the TSBD.

This is from Sprague’s master list:

Sprague 2

 

Oswald bus near TSBD-TSFLHO

Dealey Plaza shot he took. Date unknown.


12. Film showing a rifle in the grass on Elm Street between 3:30PM and 4:00PM as per Sprague:

Sprague 3

Sprague 4-Rifle in grass


13. Ruby’s attorneys/Eva Ruby

A report to Jim Garrison discusses the possibility that one of Ruby’s attorneys may have a photograph of JFK’s head wounds at Parkland. It has been alleged that this photo could have been used to get a plea bargain in the style of “Help Ruby, and that photo will never be seen again…” Bluff? The rumor was started by Ruby’s sister, Eva Ruby.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/J%20Disk/Jaffe%20Stephen%20Personal%20Memos/Item%2008.pdf


14. Norman Similas

Toronto resident claimed that he took photos of the TSBD and that 2 men were seen in a window. I believe he is a liar.

See the Newspaper Article section of my website for articles on him and a TV interview with his son.

http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/Newspapers_Articles.html


15. Carolyn Klein

Allegedly took 2 photos from the overpass. See last page.

http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/hsca_180-10104-10435.html


16. Ms. Beck

From Pictures of the Pain, page 605:

“The Detroit News received a call on December 7 from a “Ms. Beck” who claimed she had a 16mm color film of the assassination taken from the overpass. According to Richard Sprague, Mrs. Beck claimed she was a student at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor who was visiting Dallas. Mrs. Beck never fully identified herself. The Detroit FBI was unable to locate her, and the film was never received at the paper. (SAC, Dallas, File #62-109060-6082)”

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11503&relPageId=1075&search=beck_overpass

16mm film? I have the feeling that only press would use that format.


17. Edward Bray

He claims he has a film of the assassination taken from a window of the TSBD. See several documents on my website.

http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/Document.html


18. Ralph Simpson

Another Canadian, from British Columbia this time, called the DPD to let them know he has some films of the assassination. Sergeant Patrick Dean talked with him, and took him seriously enough to let know the Warren Commission about the call.


19. Cameramen mentioned by DPD Captain Sawyer to the Warren Commission

The first is a woman filming who took pictures of the sniper’s window and a man taking a film from the Del-Texas Building, East of the Depository.

Mr. BELIN. Is there anything else you can think of that occurred at the Texas School Book Depository that afternoon while you were there that might have any relevancy about where the shots came from, other than what you have told thus far?

Mr. SAWYER. Well, I had heard some of the officers come to me and said there was supposed to be, somebody told them about a woman that had taken some pictures of that window, and then one of the sergeants came to me, and I am not sure who the sergeant is now, but anyway he said that there was on the building immediately west east, I am sorry cast [sic – east], of the Texas School Book Depository, that a man up in one of the upper windows up there was taking some moving pictures of what had gone on. 


20. Sally Holt (Dallas Morning News)

Information from Linda Zambanini

Sally Holt — full name, Sally “Moetts” Sedgwick Holt (b.1908, Minneapolis – d. 1980, Dallas) –

I ran across her obscure name and story in an old Weisberg document listing JFK assassination photographers and cameramen. The story goes…she was a DMN reporter and photographer and took ONE photo of JFK’s limo as it turned the corner onto Elm Street from Houston with the TSBD in the background. After hearing that the shots had come from the Depository she returned to the DMN where – and here, the story is very brief and vague – in the “haste” to develop her film, the photo (and perhaps other photos on the roll – no one investigated!) allegedly was destroyed by being accidentally exposed.

I’ve been unable to ascertain if she was riding in one of the press buses in the motorcade or standing on Houston St. as a spectator.

Now after tracking her down and researching her academic, journalistic background for the last 24 hours, I just don’t buy that she would have done that – even accidentally. She was an esteemed journalist and editor since her HS and college days at Los Angeles High School and UCLA, (where she graduated in ’31) and by ’63 she was 55 years old and very experienced. There’s more to her story, i’m guessing…

There is NOTHING about her connection to the DMN outside the Weisberg list except for a short paragraph in an article by Hugh Aynesworth (DMN) who wrote this about Holt and her photo in a November 1983 article in “D MAGAZINE”:

“…I also learned that during the procession of Kennedy’s motorcade, News employee Sally Holt had focused her camera at the back of the limousine, directly toward the TSBD at just about the time the car slowed to make the turn onto Elm. After it was determined that the shots had originated from the TSBD, she ran back to the News, where in her haste to unload the film, she exposed the roll. This might have been the only photograph taken that would have shown the assassin in the window; no other such photograph has ever surfaced.”

Again I’m highly skeptical that she would act in such haste and carelessness given her age, experience, character and importance she she would have placed upon this photo.

One of the first pages I came to for her was for the “Military Ball” where she was one of the honorees. There was a photo at the bottom of 5 the boys who organized the ball….One of them was “Ed Lansdale”. *THAT* ED LANSDALE??!! A quick google search on wiki told me it was true!:

“Lansdale was born in Detroit, Michigan on February 6, 1908.[1] He was the second of the four sons of Sarah Frances Philips of California and Henry Lansdale of Virginia. Lansdale attended school in Michigan, New York and California before attending UCLA where he earned his way largely by writing for newspapers and magazines. He moved on to better paying work in advertising in Los Angeles and San Francisco.”

NB: Like Sally Sedgwick [Holt] he was born in 1908 and graduated from UCLA in 1931 – both with an A.B. in English. Soon I had searched for and found a boatload of his and her graduation and fraternity photos. (I also came across her future husband, Larry Holt, who was on several committees with her). Landsdale was in Delta Rho Omega and “Scabbard & Blade” (a military fraternity) both as a member and as their President some years.

These were small groups so I soon familiarized myself with the names of his fraternity brothers. Well, it turns out Ms. Sedgwick was involved in, or chairwoman, of just about every committee for every ritzy ball & dance at UCLA – she was quite the society girl and social butterfly, and academically she was also at the top. She was one of a small group of 5 women chosen as members for “Agathai,” an honorary society for “prominent women” at UCLA, which later became a chapter in the National Mortar Board. It also turns out that on these small committees of 7-10 people, usually without exception, there were her future husband, Larry Holt, and several of Lansdale’s fraternity or military fraternity brothers! 6 degrees of separation? More like 1!

So, with her background of academic and journalistic excellence and her connections to all these military and future intelligence/CIA men, I don’t have proof but I’m guessing Sedgwick could have become a CIA asset in the press herself. Without ado…here are the photos I snagged and annotated.

Holt, Sally 2-Weisberg Archives

Weisberg Archives


Holt, Sally 1Holt, Sally 3

 


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Unidentified Photographers, Cameramen and Media People in Dealey Plaza

Saturday, August 15, 2015

Last updated on May 22, 2016. See “9. Man in Altgens 5” and “11. The Sandborn Sisters?”


1. In the Alyea/WFAA film in front of the Depository (I previously mislabeled it as Cooper film)

3 STCA 148

Alyea/WFAA film (In front of the Depository at an unknown time)


3 STCA 149


2. Depository employees put in a car

Photographer on the extreme left in the next 2 images. Could it be Jim Darnell of WBAP?

Photographer on left 2

WFAA/L’Hoste film


Photographer on left 1

WFAA/L’Hoste film


The photographer above can also be seen during the arrest of Larry Florer

The Story Behind The Story-231

WFAA/L’Hoste


Several photographers taking photos/films

Several cameramen around TSBD employees in police car

Cooper film


Employees collage


3. Filmed the arrest of Larry Florer

Could be the same as in 8. Or this could be A.J. L’Hoste who was also filming that scene.

TMF 46 Cooper-Cameraman

Cooper film


4. Looks amateur in Dealey Plaza (Unknown time)

TMF 40 Cooper-Cameraman

Cooper film


5. Reporter interviewing Charles Brehm

Skaggs-Slide 5,3-Unknown reporter

Skaggs photo


Reporter with Brehm 1

DCA film


6. Probably the same reporter as above.

Allen-Brehm-POTP-Unknown reporter

Allen


7. Man in Altgens 5. Appears to have a camera in his left hand. A man seen in this Cooper film frame shows a man who looks like him. 


8. Woman #1 in the Dorman film

Dorman-camerawoman 2


9. The Sandborn Sisters? Woman in the Dorman film (The lady in blue). Could she be one of the two sisters mentioned below? Thanks to Linda Zambanini for this identification attempt. 

Camera woman running in Dorman film


The lady below is most likely Elinor Sandborn Pape.

Case For Conspiracy-186-Unknown camerawoman

KRLD

 

Camera woman in DCA 2


 


And this is likely Elinor’s sister, Susanne Sanborn Boggard.

pape-elinor-5

Credit: Linda Zambanini.


10. Woman in Altgens 6 

Looking in the direction of Lyndon Johnson. She is actually Anne Donaldson who is a well-known witness. As far as I know, she never mentioned any camera that she may have had.

Camera woman 1-1 and in Zapruder

The Zapruder image collage above, with the numbering of witnesses, is not mine. It was probably made by a member of the JFK Assassination Forum.


11. Woman in Wiegman, Betzner and Bell

Wiegman from Weisberg file, outline_Camerawoman in Wiegman, Betzner and Bell


12. Teenager in the Cooper film and a Beers photo

Not wearing the same clothes. Maybe he took off his sweater between each image? The glasses and the hairstyle look similar.

Unidentified photographer, same maybe


13. Parkland (WFAA)

Camera boy at Parkland

Could it be the same boy as in the Cooper? See 8 just above.

Patrolman Stavis Ellis reported a kid taking pictures all the way from Love Field to Parkland. He added that an SS agent at Parkland took away his film, exposed it to light, and kicked it off.


14. Man in yellow in a Skaggs photo

Some see a man taking pictures.

Skaggs-Slide #4, Unknown photographerskaggstsbd


15. Woman in Betzner and Willis

Unidentified camera woman in Betzner and Willis


16. The Babushka Lady

Camera in Allen VS Sears Tower

Here seen in an Allen photo. Her identity is still unknown. She was using a box-style camera that took still pictures similar to the Sears Tower on the right.


Gary Mack told me about a woman who might have been the Babushka Lady:

QUOTE

Denis,

As you requested, here’s some more of the story behind Jack Harrison, a retired Kodak executive who apparently talked to the real Babushka Lady. Harrison visited The Sixth Floor Museum several years ago and casually mentioned to one of the security people that he was working at Kodak when the Zapruder film was processed. He was among the large group of Kodak employees who watched it that afternoon and evening (there were two viewing sessions).

Security immediately phoned me, so Bob Porter and I convinced Jack to do an oral history. It was a hot day and he was dressed like a regular tourist, for this was his first visit back to Dallas in some 15 years. Excerpts of the interview appear in the MPI video “Image Of An Assassination.”

He remembered Zapruder and a man who shot many slides – presumably Phil Willis – and a brunette in her mid- to late-30’s. He spoke with her briefly, though she was very shaken by what had happened only a few feet in front of her.

From his description of the blurred image, she had to have been the BL, for there were no other cameras in that area not accounted for. He could see a very small stretch of grass and some people in the foreground. The limo was a few feet farther away. Directly beyond the car was part of the TSBD. There is no doubt in my mind that the view he described matched the location of the Babushka Lady in the Zapruder film.

As I related to the ARRB, the picture was too blurry to be of any use, and the agents who were there were very unhappy about that. As far as Jack knew, no one got or kept the woman’s name. I included Jack’s story in my Dallas Morning News review of Beverly Oliver’s book. Feel free to excerpt that part, if you’d like.

Jack Harrison’s experience tells me what probably happened to the real Babushka Lady, for I have yet to find independent evidence of someone else being that woman.

Partial confirmation of his story can be found in the Z film. Someone has blown up the frames in which the Babushka Lady appears. Close inspection shows that as JFK passes in front of the woman, her right hand moved upward to the camera. To me, that confirms the use of a still camera, not a movie camera. With the latter, one would have had both hands on it the whole time. That revealing movement shows that she raised her right hand, probably to snap the shutter after having wound the film for a second exposure.

Several years ago I diagramed what would have been visible from her location. Between the back of Charles Brehm’s head, two motorcycle officers, helmets and motorcycle windshields, Jackie and then Jean Hill, her view of JFK would have been blocked most of the time. Perhaps she never took that second picture!

Gary Mack

UNQUOTE


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Locating Media People (Other than Photographers and Cameramen) in Dealey Plaza


Locating Professional Cameramen and Photographers in Dealey Plaza


Locating Amateur Cameramen and Photographers in Dealey Plaza


Is Beverly Oliver the Babushka Lady Taking Pictures of the JFK Assassination?


Bad Luck with Cameras in Dealey Plaza and Photographers not Taking Pictures at the Right Time


Where are the Original of these Films Taken in Dealey Plaza?


Lost, Missing, Over-Exposed, Unavailable Photos and Films and Dubious Claims


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